Vegan Powerlifting Part 2

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Vegan Powerlifting

An Interview with Jim Gurtner Part 2

Welcome back to Vegan Powerlifting!

Jim Gurtner, professional powerlifter and bodybuilder became a vegan and has competed off and on for 30 years. He won championships on this diet when the plant-based lifestyle wasn’t at all popular or cool. In fact, in the fitness world, it was thought that one could not build muscle on plants, because, after all, where would someone get protein if not from meat?

At the moment, Jim is not competing, but this doesn’t mean he won’t again. He even told me that, “When I was not training for a meet, I would be training with someone who was getting ready for one.” His career as a powerlifter hasn’t necessarily been the only thing he has done. It has been more of an off and on hobby over the past 30 year span. 

Now, he says that in the past 5 years, though he may not be competing right now, he has done personal training for vegans and non-vegans alike.

Jim has just recently released a book for amateurs and professionals alike, Vegan Health & Strength.  In his book, you will discover how a properly designed vegan diet can be superior to all others for building a strong, healthy, and muscular body. He teaches you how to plan and easily prepare vegan meals, as well as muscle-building workouts with energy and stamina you wouldn’t think possible.

When I  was beginning my fitness goals, the idea of bodybuilding didn’t cross my mind. Not really anyway. Maybe briefly, but I’d say it was more of a distant thought. For Jim on the other hand, it was a passion. I asked Jim what made him decided he wanted to be a bodybuilder, and he told me his story:

“I was 16 and a junior in high school. One day in the cafeteria while eating, someone said, ‘you have to check out this freshman and the size of his biceps.’ His name was Ben Lew. When I asked him to show me his arm, his bicep flexed into a ball the size I couldn’t believe! Amazed I asked him, ‘how did you get those arms?’ He said, ‘through bodybuilding.’ I replied, ‘You mean to tell me that there’s a systematic way of going about getting muscles, and I could do the same?’ He said, ‘Certainly!’

When I asked him if he thinks he’ll ever compete again, he said that he is definitely thinking about it!

I was curious what the main difference was between his regular fitness and diet regime and when competing. He said that it depends on if it’s bodybuilding or powerlifting. 

“. . . In powerlifting, calories are increased to push my bodyweight up to compete in the 242 pound class, where I feel the strongest. Bodybuilding is much more involved and includes cutting calories to slowly loose all body fat, tanning, practicing posing which makes the muscles look harder, longer higher volume training sessions. For both powerlifting and bodybuilding completion, I will travel to a gym several times a week and work with a training partner to push me to the limit!”

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BODYBUILDING AND NOT YET VEGAN

“In 1988, after training for 10 years,  I competed in my first bodybuilding contest, the Mr. Natural New Jersey, which a good friend of mine, Mike Rieker, had won the year before. I got too heavy in the offseason, and ended up having to loose 40 pounds of bodyweight in three months to get defined enough for the show.

“My diet at the time was low fat, low carbs, and high protein. Lots of tuna fish and salads. I trained hard and fast 1.5-2 hours a day, and the last few weeks did an hour of cardio a day. On top of that, I even did 1-hr aerobic ab classes. It was exhausting!

“By contest time, bodyfat testing showed that I had lost 25 pound of fat, but unfortunately, lost 15 pounds of precious muscle. I ended up coming in too flat for the prejudging, and after eating, my muscles filled out nicely for the night show, but it was too late! I ended up not placing.

“After the show, I hit the gym hard again, and helped someone I met in the gym prepare for the Mr. Natural New York City. In about 4 months he was ready for his first show, where he ended up winning 1st place in this class.”

"At the end of the same year, I went to Brazil for a 
wedding, met the girl of my dreams, and got married 
6 months later. This is when the vegan 
adventure began!"

STEAK, CHICKEN, EGGS AND A QUART OF MILK

At this point I was curious what Jim’s diet was like. All of the people I knew that competed, came into the gym all puffed up, talking about how much protein they had to have in a day. They were beasts! (Smelly – beasts).

But it was just how they did things, not just when they were competing! These regular gym-bro’s always bragged about the amount of protein they were consuming in a day. I had to ask Jim, “What was your diet like?”  

He said, “before I came up vegan, in my mid 20’s, I would eat 70 jumbo eggs a week, two roast beef sandwiches or two cheese sandwiches for mid-afternoon and mid-morning snack. A whole rotisserie chicken for lunch. About an hour before working out, a pound of fruit. After working out I would drink a quart of milk with frozen banana and four raw eggs. After working out I would go with my friends to Arthur’s Steakhouse and have a salad, baked potato, and a 24-ounce steak.”

Okay guys, there you have it. I honestly don’t know how he ate like that. I’d be 250lbs in two weeks, I’m sure!

“Do you eat differently when you’re competing than when you’re just working out on a daily basis, and how?” I asked. Jim replied, “To get to [desired] weight meant eating three large meals a day. Now that I’ve retired from powerlifting,  my diet consists of a large breakfast and lunch, and a light dinner so I can keep my bodyweight close to competition weight.

“I look at the third meal as a thermostat: eat more at this meal to gain weight, eat less or nothing to loose weight.”

I asked Jim what his number one diet/fitness tip would be for someone like myself (or you!) who’d like to get into bodybuilding. His advice was pretty simple:

"Consistency with your workouts - no long layoffs."

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STRUGGLES WITH GAINS, NOT DRUGS

 

I  got close to being able to compete – once. But I remember when I was training, one of the hardest things for me was gains, so I asked Jim how it was for him. He said, “gains never came easy for me. Being tall with long legs and arms, I found it difficult to put on mass. But I was persistent, and year after year I worked to increase my muscle mass and strength. It has taken a lot of patience.” Now he says that he doesn’t have any difficulties maintaining his weight. “I enjoy eating very much, so weight gain is no problem.”

The big question we’ve all been waiting for – did Jim take steroids? Or at least for me, it was a question I was waiting for! Because even the regular ol’ gym-bro at my gym seemed to think steroids was a good idea. I figured competing would add the temptation. But when I asked if he ever took them, he replied with a solid, NO.

"All of my gains in size and strength 
have been without the use of drugs.

“After competing in the Mr. Natural New Jersey, I decided to try a 10-week steroid cycle, but did not see much change except for a little more definition. I discovered that if I was going to be the mass monster like those bodybuilders I emulated, I would have to take a lot higher dosages than what I had taken, and for a much longer period of time.  Not wanting to put my health at risk, I decided not to go that route!”

IN THE GYM TODAY

I asked Jim what his regular fitness regime is now, and he told me that he works out about 4 times per week for about an hour to an hour and a half a day. He said, “I divide my body in 4 parts: Chest day, back day, shoulder, arms day, and leg day. So all body parts are worked 1 time per week, while calves, abs, and forearms I will do 2 times per week.”

He says even when he was competing, he followed the same basic routine he follows now. 

INSPIRATION AND ROLE MODELS

I really enjoy finding out who inspires great people and who they look up to. I asked Jim who his role model is, and he said, “Arnold Schwarzenegger, whom I have had the privilege of meeting on three different occasions.”

When I asked Jim if he listens to or watches any motivational speakers, podcasts, YouTube channels, or has any particular reading material he would like to share, he again mentioned Arnold Schwarzenegger.  “The movie Pumping Iron, Arnold’s book, Education of a Bodybuilder, and Franco Columbu’s book, Coming on Strong, have all been extremely inspirational for me. Nick’s Strength and Power, and Dr. Michael Greger’s NutritionFacts, are two YouTube channels I watch regularly.”

Obviously, the previous question sort of answered my next questions, “have you ever met anyone famous?” but I asked him if he still talks to the people he has met, and who else he’s met besides Arnold.

“I have met a number of famous people: Dr. Atkins founder of the Atkins diet. I actually sat in his office. . . Richard Gaspari, the number 2 bodybuilder in the work for 3 consecutive years in the late 1980s, I knew since he was was 14 years old. Trained with Steve Goggins, ranked by Powerlifting USA, the  number 1 powerlifter of all time. Casey Viator, the youngest Mr. America ever, who I met at Coffee’s Gym in Marietta, GA. . . I never stayed in regular contact with any of them, except Rich Gaspari, who I talk to on a regular basis since we trained at the same gym for so many years in the 1980s.”

HABITS UNRELATED TO DIET AND FITNESS

Every successful man and woman I have met have always had some sort of good habit that they swear by. Sometimes it’s an early 3am jump in a cold lake, or a two hour meditation process. At times, it’s pretty ordinary while other habits are quite odd.

I wanted to know what type of habits Jim might have to share that he does regularly. He told me that one of the things that keeps him motivated and on track is, “Being a Christian, daily prayer and Bible study in the morning before eating breakfast.”

While Jim may not be competing right now, he still lives the life of one working towards a goal. He doesn’t just train to compete. For Jim, health and fitness is a lifestyle.  His daily regime is a routine of always moving forward with health and fitness his primary focus.

“On a typical work day, I get up about 6:30am, drink 3-4 cups of warm water, feed my 2 cats, eat breakfast and take a 10-20min walk.  Work starts at 8:00am from my home office and I set a timer to get up, stretch and squat 10-20 reps every 45 minutes since my job entails sitting the whole day. Lunch is around noon and I go for another 10-20 min walk, then I get off of work at 5pm. At that time, I have a light dinner and walk again. About 7:30pm I will start my workout at my home gym and finish about 9:00pm. Shower, drink some cold water, and in bed by 10:00pm.”

NO EXCUSES

Too busy? Never. Jim says, “I can always find time to squeeze in a 1-hour workout, especially now that I have build a gym at home. There are times when I will have to workout as late as 9-10 pm, but I feel so much better than if I would have missed it!”

In a rut? No excuses there either. Jim says that, “sometimes I will take as much as a week off from training, and come back using lighter weights with higher reps and short rest periods between sets. Then over the period of 2-3 weeks gradually increasing the weight used until I am lifting the same or more before the “rut” hit!

THE TEAM, THE FAMILY

IN CONCLUSION

What is your core drive to stay healthy in general?